Rhetoric
Argumentation, mostly prescriptive
2017-06-07 — 2025-08-21
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Handy terms and concepts in the realm of argumentation. I love arguing about stuff and I aspire to do it well. I try to maintain hygiene about my goals, though. Arguing is (can be?) fun but it is not the main thing to think about if my goal is actual persuasion. 🏗
1 Why we work by rhetoric
Are our brains intrinsically social? Do we reason best by social means? Is language more “about” reason, or persuasion? That question and the whole Argumentative Theory of Reason is explored in another notebook
2 Weak man
Picking the weakest of the opposing arguments to refute rather than the strongest. There are handy discussions of that by e.g. Julian Sanchez or by the original taxonomisers, Talisse and Aikin. There are some interesting hypotheses about how this might interact with coalition and identity by Scott Alexander.
3 Metaphor
(Kerkhoff 1996; Lakoff and Johnson 1980; Sperber and Wilson 1996; Spranzi 2004).
4 Rhetorical standards
I am not invested in the details of the the Harris-Klein Controversy for the topic matter they discuss, but I think the case study is interesting. It identifies Rational Style and Activist Style in arguments, and the friction that can arise when you do not (even if you think of yourself as above the internet of dunks dogpile):
Harris isn’t doing identity politics in this sense. He doesn’t expect his identity to be an input to his arguments’ evaluation function, and from what aspects of his psyche they’re coming isn’t relevant. Not according to tradition Rational Style debate rules anyway, where evaluation functions only take the content of the argument. Identity politics means refusing to stay in this sandbox and the result is Activist Style, based on traditionally disallowed moves.
Ordinary politics and political journalism play dirty too, because when you really want to win you get out of the sandbox as soon as you think it benefits you. I think strategic use of Activist Style techniques is so normal in politics and political journalism (and frankly, everywhere except among philosophers, scientists and technologists who I, in a fit of typical-minding and wishful thinking, want to see as the norm) that members of those professions don’t think of it as playing dirty at all. At least not as playing dirtier than generally accepted and expected.
This is likely why Klein appears so surprised at Harris anger (to the extent that his surprise is honest). To him, political logic and its tactics are a fact of life and Harris being angry about him using it feels bizarre, like it would feel bizarre for a regular person just having a job to hear an anarchist yelling at them about “collaborating with the system”.
Related: conflict theory.
5 Incoming
- Beware What Sounds Insightful
- Value/virtue signalling. As much as I am tired of things which seem to me to be facile value signalling, which is which I presume people mean when they dismiss something as virtue signalling, I am doubly tired of the stylized value signalling that is people dismissing any displays of values of which they disapprove as facile, which is how this term is predominantly used in the comments section. “Virtue signalling” virtue signalling is virtue signalling without the excuse of ignorance.
- Motte and bailey doctrine. Beware, although this is an interesting perspective, it is also one insight that also every pseudoclever commenter believes applies everywhere the moment they hear it, just like value signalling.
- My opponent believes something.
- Perhaps The Debunking Handbook?
- Scheinproblems
- Ideological Turing tests
- arguman the online argument mapper
- Slate Star Codex, Varieties Of Argumentative Experience
- What is Erisology?
- Lawrence Newport, How to Convince Your Opponents: “choose what you want to achieve and speak in the language of those who want to achieve the opposite”.
- Rhetological Fallacies – A list of Logical Fallacies & Rhetorical Devices with examples