A placeholder. I hope to touch upon the idea that
- People work collectively, organising into tribes to address real and legitimate problems they face.
- The tribes will often be antagonistic, conformist, cruel or otherwise not a great way to run society at large.
- We should still address the real and legitimate problems on a large scale.
- It is important to distinguish between the dynamics of the tribe and the dynamics of the problem.
Connection to pluralism. Connection to Idle Kantianism.
there is a field; I’ll meet you there.
When the soul lies down in that grass,
the world is too full to talk about.
— did Rumi actually say this? It sounds like the kind of thing he would have.
1 Collectivism is mean
It is easy to romanticise collectivism, but we should remember the price we pay. Collectivist cultures tend to meanness, paranoia, and spite. To the extent that many subcultures have adopted collectivist modes to work together to lessen the burden of a dominant culture, they (which is to say, we) are likely to be vindictive.
In-group vigilance Liu et al. (2019).
2 Pluralism
See pluralism.
3 Ecologies of communities
DRMacIver: Ladders between communities:
There’s a term of art I use, “communities of last resort”, which basically means communities that will take anyone as long as they can put up with the community. I have in mind places like 4chan, and some of the other forums of that ilk. They’re not good places, but for people who need a community of people who understand them, they’re often the only option, and they’re often surprisingly valuable. I definitely know people for whom 4chan was a positive and formative experience[…].
I think what we often need is ladders out of these communities, and people who are from communities in “the next level up” to help people out. Less Wrong has served as this for a lot of people—many people find Less Wrong hugely life improving, partly because they come from a 4chan or Something Awful background, and this is the next community up from that for them and is willing to both tolerate their initial undersocialisation and help them improve their life.
To consider: Communities that have flourished as minorities. Jews, expat Chinese, Mormons, Quakers. Should scientists count there? Rationalists?
Ecosystems of minority communities. de Tocqueville-style meshing subcultures possibly connect here.